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Announcer: Today on Family Talk:<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Welcome, everyone, to Family Talk, the broadcast division of the James Dobson Family Institute. I'm your host, Dr. James Dobson.<br />
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Today, we're going to continue a presentation from Dr. Jerry Kirk. Yesterday, he talked about the Lordship of Jesus, and why we can trust Him with our very lives. Here is a short recording of his statement.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: It's a wonderful life when we know and believe and pray and live the word of God. It's a wonderful life. It's a wonderful life when we know that to love God is to let God love us, to open ourselves up to how much He loves us. It's a wonderful life when we're free to be real. There's power when we're free to be real. It's a wonderful life when Jesus is in charge.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That was Dr. Jerry Kirk. In a moment, Dr. Kirk is going to explain how this idea of complete devotion to God led him to start the Prayer Covenant Ministry. This organization encourages Christians to pray for God's will for themselves and for their fellow believers.<br />
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Today, Dr. Kirk is also going to remind us of the faithfulness of God when we listen and obey His word.<br />
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But before we hear the remainder of this message, let me tell you a little bit more about Dr. Jerry Kirk. This is one of my best friends. I love this man. And I've known him for I don't know how many years. This goes back to 1986 when we stood shoulder-to-shoulder fighting against the pornography scourge in the 1980s, that's far worse now than it was then. Dr. Kirk started the National Coalition Against Pornography, known as Pure Hope, and the Religious Alliance Against Pornography. He poured his life into that epidemic. Now both of these organizations continue to address the growing sexualization of culture, and it empowers believers to remain pure.<br />
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Dr. Kirk also served as senior pastor at College Hill Presbyterian Church for 18 years.<br />
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Without any further delay, here is the remainder of Dr. Kirk's message on this edition of Family Talk.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: Well, I was serving as a pastor in New Wilmington, and I was asked to give that evangelism report. And I said to the committee, "I'd be glad to do it if you'll let me do it my way." And they looked at me a little askance, and I said, "I want to take laymen with me. I want them to sing it. I want them to tell it. I want them to tell what Christ is doing in their lives. I want it to be so exciting that by the end of that evangelism report the entire synod will explode into a standing ovation."<br />
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So, I recruited Linda Pickleseimer, who was the pianist, and Ed and Joy Tobin. He sang the lead in The Music Man, and she sang the lead in The Sound of Music. And then I went after Don Rehberg, the controller of J &amp; L Steel. He had 1500 employees under him. I tried to reach him, and I couldn't get through. I was surprised, because Don was a good friend. He called back a half an hour later. He said, "Jerry, I'm sorry I couldn't take your call. But at that very moment, one of my managers was on his knees in my office giving his life to Christ. I wouldn't have interrupted that for anything in the world."<br />
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We picked him up on the turnpike, and headed for Wilson College, where the synod meeting was going to be. I was driving along, and I said, "Don, tell me what the Lord's been doing in your life lately?" An hour and a half later, he was still telling one story after another story after another story of men coming to Christ and being transformed. He and Kerwin Flannery had gone to Sam Shoemaker's last sermon at Music Hall, get changed, get together, and get going. They turned to each other and they said, "We've been changed by Christ. Let's get together in order to get going!"<br />
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So, they go to the church at noon on Wednesday. They get down on their knees. Here are two of the leading businessmen of Pittsburgh, and they said, "Lord, we don't know how you want us to get going, but whatever you want, we want to do it." They got up and they began to think, "What might we do?" And they said, "Maybe there's some men in our church out of work. Let's go to the pastor and see. Maybe we could pray with them and help them find work."<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: This was back in 19 ... Mid '60s. Sure enough, a number of men out of work. So they ... Pastors invited them to come meet with Don Rehberg and Kerwin Flannery. And what he said to us was this: "We told these men we don't know how to help you get a job. But if you'll give as much of yourself as you can to as much of Christ as you understand, we'll give our lives to Christ with you. And we will pray for you every day until you get work."<br />
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The first week, five men came. The second week, they came back. One of them had found work, and one of them had found hope. In the next three years, 1800 men had found Christ and had found work.<br />
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I said, "Don Rehberg, I don't know a preacher in America that could tell the kind of stories you've just told, and you're the busiest layman I know."<br />
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And he stuck out his chin and he said, "Do you want to be that kind of a preacher?"<br />
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I said, "Don, I'd give my right arm to be that kind of a preacher."<br />
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He said, "Do you want to enter into a 30-day prayer covenant?"<br />
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And I said, "What's that?"<br />
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He said, "Simple: together, we just give our lives to Christ. We say, 'Jesus, we want you to be the Lord. We want to seek you. We want your will to be accomplished in our lives.' And then at the beginning of every day for 30 days, we pray for each other. 'Lord, help Jerry get out of the way. Fill him with your Spirit. Use him as you've never used him before, Lord. Bring glory to yourself through him.' And then at the end of 30 days, we'll check in with each other and see what the Lord's done."<br />
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"Oh, Don. I want to enter into a prayer covenant."<br />
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We get to Wilson College, we go up into a dorm room, we get down on our knees, and say, "Lord, whatever you need to do to change me, I pray you would do it. Fill me with yourself. Be the Lord of my life."<br />
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Now I don't know what I was doing before that. But from then on, almost everybody that came into my office for counseling, for one thing or another, wanted to enter into a 30 day prayer covenant.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: One of those women was named Alice. She said, "Jerry, I am having marital problems."<br />
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And I said, "Well, Alice, do you want to give those marital problems to the Lord?"<br />
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"Yes."<br />
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"Do you want to give yourself to the Lord?"<br />
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"Yes."<br />
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"Do you want to enter into a 30-day prayer covenant?"<br />
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"What's that?"<br />
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I said, "It's simple: we just give ourselves to Christ, together, right here in my office, as Lord. And then we recommit at the beginning of every day for 30 days, and say, 'Jesus, do with me whatever you want. I'm yours.' And then we come back and share what God's done, and we pray for each other."<br />
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She came back in two weeks. She said, "Jerry, can I see you?"<br />
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And I said, "Sure."<br />
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She said, "I wasn't honest with you when we met."<br />
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I said, "Tell me about it."<br />
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She said, "I didn't tell you why we were having marriage problems. I was having an affair, and I can't stand this prayer covenant."<br />
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I said, "Now do you want to really enter into a prayer covenant? God wouldn't let you live with that deceit."<br />
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She said, "Oh, yes."<br />
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She and her husband, last I heard, were doing wonderfully. They came all the way to Cincinnati to visit me. Jesus transforms people's lives.<br />
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The College Hill Presbyterian Church came to me and asked me to be their pastor, and I said, "No." I wasn't done in New Wilmington. And they came a second time, and I said, "No. God has not called me." Praise God they came a third time, and I said, "Yes." You know what happened? The Sunday ... The day before I started at College Hill, I preached at the first church I ever pastored. And I had the first altar call in 150 years in that Presbyterian Church, and 17 people came forward and asked Jesus to be the Lord of their lives in new ways: "Lord, I'm yours. You can do with me whatever you want." And so I started College Hill with 17 people praying, "Lord help Jerry get out of the way. Fill him with your Spirit. Be the Lord of his life. Use him, Lord. Use him, Lord."<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: Well, what happened was, on the following Friday night, there was the middle-aged couples gathering. And Bob Scheck, 45 years of age and the executive with Procter &amp; Gamble, gave his witness as to how he had come to know Christ, he had given his life to Christ, and now he was leaving Procter &amp; Gamble and going to Princeton Seminary to prepare for the ministry. And I'm the new pastor. I'm 35, I looked like I'm 25, and I'm trying to be balanced and mature and not shake up the place too quickly. And I'm praying the whole time, "Lord, you don't want me to do something crazy."<br />
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And God had touched us. And so I had a Presbyterian altar call. Do you know what that is? A Presbyterian altar call. I said to the group, I said, "I can tell that some of us have been deeply touched. And if you'd like to talk about it, come on back into the parlor after the meeting." That's a Presbyterian altar call. You know what happened? 16 people came back into the parlor. And I merely turned to the woman on my left, Lois, and I said, "Lois, tell us why you've come back into the room." And we just systematically went all the way around. We were about two-thirds of the way around, and a 17th guy came into the parlor. He was so shook up he went out drinking after the meeting. But he came back to the parking lot, and he saw we were still there. And so he came in.<br />
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Let me just give you two stories out of that. I won't use the name. I'll use the wrong name. I'll call her June. June entered into the prayer covenant that night. We all did. I now had 34 people praying for me daily, that Jesus would be the Lord of my life and that He'd change me in whatever way He wanted. It's His business, not mine.<br />
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And June came to see me two weeks later. And she said, "Jerry, I've got a problem."<br />
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I said, "What's that?"<br />
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She said, "I have the problem of frigidity."<br />
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And I looked her in the eye and I said, "You really have a problem." That's not what she was expecting from me.<br />
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She said, "What do you mean?"<br />
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I said, "That's a problem of sin, not a psychological need. Your body ..." I read to her 1 Corinthians 7: "Your body belongs to your husband. His body belongs to you. Frigidity is not just a psychological problem, it is a spiritual problem."<br />
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"Well, what can I do about it?"<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: I said, "Would you believe a 30 day prayer covenant?"<br />
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She said, "You really mean that?"<br />
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I said, "Absolutely. God loves every part of our lives. He does not compartmentalize."<br />
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"Can He do something to help me with my frigidity?"<br />
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"You bet."<br />
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We got down on our knees. We prayed. We said, "Lord Jesus, do with us whatever you want. We're yours. And touch June's body and mind and spirit."<br />
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She came back a few weeks later. She said, "Do you know what my husband said to me?"<br />
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And I said, "No. I have no idea. I have no idea what your husband said to you."<br />
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She said, "'What in the world did that guy tell you over there?' He said, 'Whatever it is, he ought to bottle it and sell it.'"<br />
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And what do you think? He came to know Christ. She was trying to talk to him and feed him tracts and all that kind of stuff. All she needed to do was obey the Lord. Let the Lord be the center.<br />
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Beloved, in the next eight months, over 700 people gave their lives to Christ or recommitted their lives to Christ as the Lord of their lives. I was in the middle of a revolution. Only God. Only God.<br />
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But eight months later, I said to Gil Hopkins, I said, "How would you like to take over our youth group?"<br />
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And he said, "Oh, Jerry, would you trust me with those kids' lives?"<br />
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I said, "I sure would. Jesus is Lord, isn't He?"<br />
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"Yeah."<br />
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That was in early May. Within four weeks, he had 80 kids coming. We'd had no youth work. Within 10 months after that, we had 700 kids coming every Thursday morning for bacon and eggs and cereal and fruit, and then singing and the gospel message. Kids were meeting Christ all over this ... That's just two of those 17.<br />
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Beloved, I don't know each of you. I wish I did. But I want you to know you can get in touch with the power of Almighty God to use you, to begin to change the people's lives around you. This risen Lord, at the right hand of the Father, is willing to live in you and to speak through you and to love through you.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: I was asked to speak at Montreat, South Carolina, where Billy Graham lives. And I was not a plenary speaker: I was just a seminar speaker. And I had two seminars in the afternoon on this theme. I said, "How would you like to begin to touch the lives of people all around you? How would you like to call them to know Jesus as the Lord of their lives? How would you like to begin to see the miracles of God's grace in all the people around you?" And so on. And man, a bunch of people said they'd kind of like that. They'd like to get in touch with the power of Christ. And so I said, "Would you like to enter into a prayer covenant? A 30 day prayer covenant?" And I don't know, maybe there were 20, 30, 40.<br />
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Well, at dinner that night, a crazy guy comes up to me and he says, "Hey, I missed the seminars this afternoon."<br />
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I said, "How come?"<br />
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He said, "I was out playing golf." But he said, "I'll tell you what, if you'll speak tonight at 10 in the lobby of the inn, I'll fill it."<br />
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I said, "You've got to be kidding. We've been in meetings all day long. You don't want to get people to one more meeting."<br />
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He said, "I heard about your seminar. If you'll do it, I'll get the people there and I'll tape it."<br />
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And I did. And the place was filled, sitting all on the floor, all over. And I shared about what I'm sharing with you. And I invited them to enter into a 30 day prayer covenant. And Bob Ramey was the man who taped that message that night. He ended up moving from Chattanooga to College Hill to be our tape minister for many, many years.<br />
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He took me to breakfast the next day, and he said, "Would you mind if I sent a free copy of the tape to every person who entered into the prayer covenant?"<br />
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I said, "That'd be wonderful."<br />
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Do you know what? 100 people entered into the prayer covenant during that weekend. And they got a free copy of that tape. And in the next eight months, 3500 people had been led into the prayer covenant by those 100 people, because people had given their lives to Jesus Christ as the Lord of their lives and they used that tape ... Whole sessions, eldership boards were transformed; whole congregations were transformed. Why? Because Jesus is the Lord, and the prayer covenant is merely a means that people can use to lead other people to follow Christ as Lord.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: Isn't that exciting? I'm telling you, I looked forward to this morning so much I could hardly contain myself. I want to tell you about the last two weeks. I'm now in eight prayer covenants. Right now. I've got eight people praying for me this morning: "Jesus, be the Lord of his life. Be the Lord of his life. Purify his life. Burn all the dross of his life away. Don't let him hold onto any sin. Fill him with your Spirit. Use him today. Please, Lord, use him today."<br />
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I met with one of those men on the golf course on Friday. I love meetings on the golf course. He said, "By the way, Jerry, I'm already in a prayer covenant."<br />
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You see, every one of you this morning can enter into a prayer covenant. You can give your life to Jesus Christ as the Lord of your life. And beloved, I want you to know, it will have tremendous implications for your marriage, if you're married, or for your singleness, if you're single. Tremendous implications for how God may want to use your talents, how God may want to use your resources. You don't give your life to Christ and hold back anything. You don't give your life to Christ as Lord and hold back anything. Can you imagine what would happen with 1000 people from Hope Church deployed in the coming days and the coming weeks in a 30 day prayer covenant, where Jesus is the Lord of our lives and filling us with His Spirit and using us in ways only He can guide?<br />
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I began to think of all the people whom you might bring into this wonderful fellowship. This is an incredible fellowship. And I was excited about that. And then I began to think of all the people in other churches that you might touch, that you might lead into a 30 day prayer covenant, who might have a vision for the transformation of their congregations. Start the revolution, Lord, and start it with me. Start the revival, Lord, and whatever you need to do in my life, do it, Lord. Please, do it.<br />
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It comes from 2 Chronicles, 15:12, "And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord with all their hearts and with all their soul." If you want to seek the Lord with all your heart and with all your soul, then I invite you to choose some other person whom you know and trust to enter into that prayer covenant with.<br />
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I will pray for you during this month that God will seal the covenant, and that He will use you in ways you have never imagined.<br />
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Secondly, if you've never received Christ, I ask you to give your life to Christ this morning as the Lord of your life, as your Savior, as the one who died for your sins and rose again and is ascended into Heaven.<br />
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And if you've given your life to Christ as Lord in the past, but you know there's some area that you haven't yielded to Him, this is the time, brothers and sisters.<br />
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And then, if you are already living for Christ as Lord, but you want to stand with those who are now doing it, come forward too.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: But prepare yourself and prepare your heart. I can't tell you what it will lead to, but I can tell you nothing else even begins to measure up.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Hello everyone this is Dr. James Dobson and you've tuned into today's Family Talk broadcast. I'm so glad that you're with us. 1 Kings chapter eight says, "Let your heart therefore be wholly devoted to the Lord our God, to walk in his statutes and to keep his commandments." As Christians, we're commanded to obey God and completely dedicate our lives to Him. And nothing can be held back. In a moment, you're gonna hear an encouraging presentation on this important concept from Dr. Jerry Kirk.<br />
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Now, I wanna tell you about my friendship with Dr. Kirk. I had been appointed in 1985 to the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography. I was appointed by President Ronald Reagan and, of course, the commission was led by Attorney General Ed Meese. All those people had become friends of mine. But we were having one of our sessions. I don't remember what city it was, but when we took a break, Dr. Kirk came up to me and introduced himself. He said that he had been senior pastor at College Hill Presbyterian Church in Cincinnati, Ohio for many years, but the Lord had laid upon him the concern about pornography and what it was going to children, and what it was doing to families. And we shared that, and we instantly bonded and have been friends ever since.<br />
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Dr. Kirk went on to found the National Coalition Against Pornography, which was very, very effective around the country, and he also started the Religious Alliance Against Pornography in 1986. And this organization continues to address the growing sexualization of this culture by partnering with other faith institutions across the country.<br />
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But today, Dr. Kirk is gonna talk about a really interesting concept, and he titles it A Wonderful Life. Now, this is not about the Jimmy Stewart movie. I guarantee you that. It's a wonderful life when Jesus is in charge. And he provides scriptural evidence for the supremacy of Christ and why believers must make him Lord of their lives. This is a good message and I hope you'll enjoy it. Here now is part one of that message.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: It's a wonderful life when we know and believe and pray and live the word of God. It's a wonderful life. It's a wonderful life when we know that to love God is to let God love us, to open ourselves up to how much he loves us. It's a wonderful life when we're free to be real.<br />
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I was here when Henry Cloud was preaching. Somebody said to him, "You know, you really bug me." And then, to say it again, and then there was third person. And then he said to us, "I had been saying to the Lord, show me how I can grow in my interpersonal relationships." And he was free to be real. There's power when we're free to be real.<br />
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I was asked to lead a preaching mission up at the Bay Village Presbyterian Church outside of Cleveland. And I took 30 laymen along, and one of those laymen that I asked to go was named Mark Trabert. Mark was the brother of Tony Trabert, the world champion tennis player back in my era. And Mark said, "You don't need to ask me to go just to get Doris." And I said, "Mark, I'm not asking you to go just to get Doris." But he said, "I don't know the Lord yet." Well, I said, "You're in a couple's Bible study regularly. You get up at five on Thursday mornings to prepare breakfast for 700 teenagers. You worship every Sunday and yet you don't know the Lord yet." I said, "If you're honest about that, you're gonna hit everybody there. Because a lot of them think they're devote Christians because they come to church on Sunday."<br />
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I said, "You mark my word, God will use you in the midst of that group because of your honesty." Well, we went up, had one of the weekends of my life. God met us in that place. And on Sunday afternoon, about 50 or 60 people gathered just to reflect on the weekend. And who do you think they referred to the most? It was Mark Trabert. He was free to be real. It's a wonderful life when you're free to be real. It's a wonderful life when Jesus is in charge, when Jesus is the Lord of our life, it's a wonderful life. When he is not the Lord, when we've gotten back on the throne, when we've received him, but there's some area of our lives that we have not given to him, it's a miserable life. Because we've tasted and seen that the Lord is good. We have seen what happens when he is at the center. And then, when we get in the center, when our will gets in the center it becomes a very, very difficult life.<br />
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The witness of Jesus in the upper room, he had just washed the disciples' feet and he said to them, "You call me teacher, and Lord, and you are right. For so I am. If I then, your Lord and teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." He acknowledged who he was, the Lord of life, the witness of doubting Thomas. I think Thomas has a bad rap, really, because he was just being honest. Jesus had appeared to the other disciples. I don't know why Thomas wasn't there, but he wasn't. And Jesus appeared to them and they came and said, "Thomas, we've seen the Lord." And they must have said to Thomas, "We saw the nail prints in his hands. We saw the wound in his side," because Thomas said, "Unless I see the nail prints in his hand, unless I put my finger in that nail print, unless I put my hand in the wound in his side I will not believe." And eight days later Jesus appears to all the disciples, and this time Thomas was there.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: And he went over to Thomas in his gentle, loving way, and he said, "Thomas, look at my hands and put your finger in the wound in my side." And Thomas cried out, "My Lord and my God." And Jesus said, "Do you believe because you've seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe," the witness of Thomas, the witness of Jesus in his other ... one of the other resurrection appearances. I'm gonna read it because I've not memorized the verses before. It's Matthew 28. It goes like this, beginning at the 16th verse, "Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them, and when they saw him they worshiped him. But some doubted." Aren't you glad Matthew put that in there?<br />
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Even among the disciples, some doubted, like Thomas. And then it says, "And Jesus came and said to them, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me," all authority, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe," or obey, "All that I have commanded you. And lo, I'm with you always, even to the end of the age."<br />
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Beloved, I want you to know, I believe what I'm preaching about this morning is the ultimate decision in every person's life. Is Jesus the Lord of my life? In what way is Jesus the Lord of my life? Have I given my life to him? And if I've given it to him, have I taken it back? Jesus says these words in Matthew 7, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father in heaven." Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord. And in fact, he describes how these people were in ministry. They were deeply involved in ministry. They were part of God touching the lives of other people, but he says, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord.' And then verse 24, "Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a man who built his house upon the rock. And everyone who hears these words and does not do them will be like a man who builds a house on the sand."<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: The witness of Peter at Pentecost. The church is about to be born. The Holy Spirit has been poured out. A tremendous gathering of thousands have come together and Peter is preaching the sermon, the one who had denied Jesus three times. And he got to the climax of the sermon and these are the words, "This Jesus, whom you crucified, God raised up, and of that we all are eyewitnesses." This Jesus, whom you crucified, God raised up and of that we all are eyewitnesses. "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says the Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: By the way, that is the most quoted verse of the Old Testament in the New Testament. It's from Psalm 110:1, "The Lord says to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool." In other words, the Father was raising the Son to the point ... place of authority to the right hand of the Father. "That all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified." The witness of Peter at Pentecost.<br />
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The witness of Steven at his death. I love these words. "Now, when they heard these things they were enraged and they ground their teeth against him. But Steven, full of the holy spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God." And he said, "Behold, I see the heavens open and the son of man standing at the right hand of God." The place of authority, and then Steven says later, "Father, forgive them for what they are doing." And then he gave up his spirit and died having been stoned to death. Jesus is Lord.<br />
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The witness of Paul. I want you to turn to the book of Ephesians, because I'm gonna be eluding to a number of these verses. Ephesians chapter one verse two, "Grace to you and peace from God our father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." There was no question in Paul's mind who the Lord was. Verse three, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing."<br />
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Look down at verse 15, "For this reason, because I've heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and your love toward all the saints," beloved, Jesus is Lord whether you believe it or not. Jesus is Lord whether you have made him the Lord of your life or not.<br />
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Look at verse nine, nine through 11. These verses changed my life. I was out by a lake in Indiana planning my preaching for the entire year, and I decided I was gonna preach through Ephesians and I decided to memorize the first chapter, and I got to these verses. And I want you to know, I was very close to burnout. I had gone out to that lake because I desperately needed to get alone with the Lord. I needed to have my cup refilled. "For he has made known to us, in all wisdom and insight," how does that go? "In all wisdom and insight, the mystery of his will according to his purpose, as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth."<br />
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God has a plan and a purpose. And then, look at verse 11. In Christ, according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of this will, he not only has a plan and a purpose to unite everything in Christ, but he's got the power to pull off the plan. And I laid my hand on those verses and I said, "Lord, I ask you to do that. I ask you to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth." I said, "You could even unite the Presbyterians." And I did, I laughed. The Southern Baptists were meeting that week in Dallas. I said, "Lord, you could even unite the Southern Baptists." And I laughed again. And then I said, "Lord, you can even use the battle against pornography to drive your people to their knees and to each other." And I laughed again.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: God's plan is to unite everything in Jesus Christ, things in heaven and things on earth. Look at verse 18. This had changed me radically about four years before, verse 18. "Having the eyes of your heart enlightened that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, eternal light. And what are the riches of the glorious inheritance in the saints." And get this, "And what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe according to the working of his great might, which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come."<br />
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And he, the father, has put all things under his feet. Beloved, if we ever get ahold of that it will radically transform our lives. The power that raised Jesus from the dead and made him sit at his right hand with all authority, that power is at work within us. I want you to know, I was involved in a tremendous debate within the Presbyterian church called The Confession of 1967. I was to debate one of the leading professors of Princeton Seminary up in Boston. I was thinking about this passage. And do you remember the lights went out over all New England? That's when I was gonna be debating this key professor from Princeton Seminary. I said, "Lord, you are amazing."<br />
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By the way, we had the meeting with candlelight. We didn't have any stove to be able to cook the food. We had the meeting. And, of course, I won because I was standing for what Jesus taught. I didn't have the brain power. I didn't have the knowledge. But the truth of Christ will always win out, not in the short run but always in the long. Jesus is Lord.<br />
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Listen to these words to the Philippians. "Have this mind among yourselves which is yours in Christ Jesus, who though he was in the form of God did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of man and being found in human form. He humbled himself and become obedient unto death, even death on a cross."<br />
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Here are the key verses. "Therefore, God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father." The father receives glory when you and I exalt Christ as Lord of our lives. The father receives glory when you and I give our lives to Christ as Lord.<br />
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Dr. Jerry Kirk: How about these words? By the way, I was looking through my New Testament early this morning, I have put on the inside cover, passages of scripture that I wanna have at my funeral. I haven't read this for a long time. I've got them in all of my Bibles, so nobody'll miss it.<br />
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"Funeral suggestions for Jerry Kirk, see also the cover of the large bible and my other small RSV. I hope you have a ball planning and leading the funeral. I will be with him and I will be praying. Then I put down, it is well with my soul."<br />
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Here's the first passage I had listed. It's Romans 14:7-9, "None of us live to himself, and none of us dies to himself. If we live, we live to the Lord. And if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's."<br />
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Here's the key verse, "For to this end, Christ died and lived again that he might be Lord, both of the dead and of the living." Beloved, it's unbelievable to me why we would struggle with giving our lives to Jesus Christ as Lord, because life's tough when he's not Lord. And life is wonderful when he's Lord, when he's in charge, when he calls the shots.<br />
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Now, I wanted to tell you about the process God has used in my life. When I met Jesus as my Savior, I met him as my Lord. The day I met Christ as Savior I met him as Lord. My father taught me obedience. He was a Rose Bowl football player. He was a football, basketball, baseball coach when he said, "Jump," I said, "How high?" There was never a question. Now, I did deceive him three times that I remember. And it was a cataclysm every time. He trained me. So, when I met Jesus I had no difficulty giving myself to him as Lord. But in my life, from time to time, unknowingly I got so busy and so involved with this life that his Lordship was not as focused as it needed to be.<br />
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Roger Marsh: Christian parents in today's society face an uphill battle for the hearts and minds of their children. Kids and teenagers are constantly harassed by cultural influences that steer them away from righteousness.<br />
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Joe White: Do you all remember the first day that you put your first little guy on the school bus? As a Christian I knew that the count was 0-2. I knew on the bus he was going to hear a lot of dirty words, a lot of dirty jokes. I knew that anytime they went to a kid's house and turn on the TV set, they were going to see hundreds and hundreds of sexual innuendos on the television set. I was filled with a mixture of motivation, I guess, as a daddy to get involved.<br />
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Roger Marsh: I'm Roger Marsh and you are tuned to Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk. Thanks so much for joining us today. Now the voice you just heard was that of our guest, Dr. Joe White. On yesterday's broadcast, he and Dr. Dobson addressed why parents must be active, godly role models for their children. Joe also quoted Philippians chapter 2 and explained how families who memorize scripture together form lasting relationships. In a moment, Joe White and Dr. Dobson will be walking through the various insecurities that plague young people today. They'll also describe how parents can speak truth over their children and why quality family time is so very, very important. Dr. Joe White is a popular author, speaker and founder of Kanakuk Kamps. Joe also serves on the board of directors for a worldwide humanitarian organization known as Cross International. Let's listen now to the conclusion of Dr. Dobson's conversation with Joe White here on Family Talk, the broadcasting division of the James Dobson Family Institute.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe White is the author of a number of books for teens, including Looking for Love in all the Wrong Places and Surviving Friendship Pressures, referring to what he's heard from so many teenagers who come to the camps. The sports camps that are run by Joe White as director. I'm referring to the Kanakuk, Kanacomo Kamps in the Ozark mountains in Missouri. How many alumni do you suppose you have from all over the United States and Canada?<br />
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Joe White: Oh, you know this word family. When you say family, that is just the, that's the happiest, warmest word. And, and we really do have a big family in the Ozark mountains. I don't know how many. We've been there 65 years and our family, I'm sure, numbers in the hundreds of thousands, but the closeness, there's something magic that happens at a camp. There's something about getting away from it all and getting in the woods with the jiggers and ticks and stars shining at night.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That's a real thrill.<br />
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Joe White: Yeah. It just, you know, sweat therapy, just loving on each other and really becoming real people, heart to heart.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Do you have people that come up to you in airports and on the street who have come through the camp and come up and hug you and recognize you?<br />
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Joe White: Yes. I guess one of the privileges of having a super big nose and you know, a few trademarks like that is you're easily recognized and it happens a lot and it seems like almost every time there is a rich memory of that face, back when that face was a child, you know, years and years ago. That hits my mind about something neat that happened at that camp.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: It really is true that something special that takes place at camps that doesn't happen typically anywhere else. When I was a senior in high school, I went to a church camp, lasted five days and, I'll never forget what the Lord did for me there. I had never really gotten very far from him. I found the Lord when I was three years of age and I never really went into out-broken sin. But there came a time where I needed to make that deeper move toward the Lord. And it happened on the last night of that camp. And I will never forget the emotional experience of really walking into the presence of the Lord. And it's with me all these years later. That is what you're trying to provide for kids, isn't it?<br />
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Joe White: We are. And our little foundation whose goal is to somehow help other folks reach every teenager in North America and help them into a discipleship commitment with Christ. Our goal has become to help every counselor at our camp and to help every counselor at other camps and every youth director become a camp director. What we're trying to do now is focus in on folks who love kids and teach them how to have their own camp wherever they are. It may be a group of five kids from the youth group in a tent in the backyard. It may be a group of 10 kids taking them on a little ski thing or take them to grandpa's farm or whatever, but facilitating camps all over this country, hopefully tens of thousands of them. I believe is the best thing we as youth people can do to get kids locked in on their relationship with Christ.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, I wish every parent in North America could have heard what you said yesterday because it was so meaningful. You were talking about putting your first child on the bus to go to kindergarten and realizing that there were already two strikes against him in terms of the world that he was going to be exposed to. The foul language that he would hear, the dirty jokes, the humanistic influence that would inevitably occur in the years to follow. And that dovetails with my own concern. I've tried to express it in different terms, but that we're involved in a civil war of values.<br />
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There is a humanistic worldview that says man is the center of the universe. There are no absolutes. There is no standard. There is no God. There are no scriptures to turn to. And then the Christian perspective that says, we're here to please God, we're here to glorify him. Our ultimate purpose in living is to come to know him and to glorify him and all that, all of the values that come out of scripture. Those two points of view are colliding today. And the prize to the winner will be the next generation, our children. And there is this struggle for their hearts and minds. There is this effort to try to capture what they believe and what they hear and what they're told and what they understand.<br />
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Joe White: Whittle Communications is an organization that has taken the advertising money of products that kids are interested in through television sets and TV communication devices whereby the, I believe very dangerous artists of rock and roll music, who, who propagate free sex, who propagate sadomasochism, who propagate suicide, who propagate rebellion are put up on the walls as the heroes to be listened to. And you and I know that kids are going to be who their heroes are. And a lot of kids who don't have a hero in their daddy or have a hero in their mommy, their heroes, I'm finding out, are these musicians.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: If they can isolate teenagers from their parents, and children, for that matter, then they're free to do their mind games with the youngsters.<br />
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Joe White: And so, Dr. Dobson, to a parent there is still a need in my child's heart, a primary need for relationship with not the school, not the rock groups, but with his daddy. I can still be, if I'm doing my job, if I'm locked in on scripture, if I am being an example, you know of what I'm trying to teach my kids, the primary hero can still be me. It's not like all hope is lost. It may be 0-2, you know, he may be at the plate with two strikes against him, but daddy can still be the primary influence in his life.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, you've tried to express that in your book, Orphans at Home, the entire cover here, the title says, "When so many feel like orphans at home, it's time to fall in love with your kids again." This is an outgrowth of what you've heard, what you've learned in dealing with many, many thousands of teenagers. What they need. And what you're saying is that many of them, even though their parents love them and even though they're not orphans, they do have parents, at least a single parent, they feel like orphans. They don't really feel like they belong. What's the cause of that? Is it this fast pace that we've got so many pressures on us as adults that we don't take the time to hug our kids and talk to them and be with them? Is that what you're hearing?<br />
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Joe White: Time is the essence of it all. I encourage daddies every day to get your calendar out and start marking it up. I encourage mommies to get the calendar before the daddy gets it and mark it up. Put down those family days. Put down family nights regularly. Make appointments with your children. If you're like me and you need to have something written down to commit to to be sure you make it happen. The book is just chock full of fun ideas where parents can do creative things to make home the funnest place to be in a kid's world. I was, last year, at a real struggling point as a daddy, trying to figure out, hey, they're in junior high now. There's so many temptations and you know things are about to get crazy around here. How can I draw in closer to my kids' world?<br />
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And I did the, oh man, had the funnest time writing down a list of a hundred things and they're in the book, that I as a daddy can do with my kids and made a game out of it where when I come home now at the end of a day, the kids just pick up the dice, roll them and whatever number's on the dice, that's the number of the experience that we go to. My little guy just got to the top. He got up to square 100 and square 100 meant a mystery trip with dad. So, we took off and bought some baseball cards. But every day was a fun experience between parents and kids.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You have said in this book that children spell love, T-I-M-E. That's true. I mean we talk about giving them quality time. We can't give them quantity. We have to give them quality, not to a child, to child. He wants quantity and quality.<br />
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Joe White: I have a friend who's a very successful TV exec, but he's also a very good daddy and he finds time to coach those soccer teams. The other day he said, "Joe, what do you think about quality time?" And I said, "Well, I think it's good stuff." He said, "I think it's baloney." And I said, "Really?" He said, "I believe in quantity time." He said, "You've got to chip away at it every single day."<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Yeah, that's really true.<br />
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Joe White: You know, it's not so much, you know, daddy says, well, hey, you know, my kid has a car and my kid has a nice house, and that's great and that so important that kids do have nice things, but what they really want is to feel like their daddy thinks they're a 10 on a 10 scale. To feel like in their mommy's eyes, they're huggable and valuable. And parents, don't ever lose sight. No matter how crazy the civil war is that Dr. Dobson is talking about. Don't ever forget that you're the number one source of a good, healthy, courageous self-esteem in your child's heart. Don't ever give up.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, I want you to talk about your father. In fact, your father and your mother. In our devotions, you spoke in such warm, glowing terms of your father, he's now 75 years old. You said that he never talked to you about prayer. He didn't have to. Tell us why.<br />
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Joe White: Well, parents, if you're like I am and really feel like your report card as a mama gets a D or an F on it often. And if you just wonder, you know, how can I do this task? It's just too hard to really be a good parent today. I do want to tell you about my mom and dad because as parents, they didn't have a lot to say about, for example, prayer. But I'll never forget walking down the hall at night, night after night, watching my daddy, who went to bed early, on his knees and he spent countless hours on his knees rubbing his old tired forehead as he would pray to his Father in heaven in a most intimate loving way. My daddy never talked to me about loving a woman, but I'll never forget seeing all the little love notes and my daddy leaves my mommy when he goes away to work in the morning and after 52 years of marriage, he still does that. And he still calls her, "hey baby," and, "sweetheart," and she looks like a sweetheart by the way.<br />
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I'll never forget, my mom never gave me a sermon on serving or submission, but mama didn't have to because mama has literally laid down her life to make her man the most important man in the world and she continues to lay down her life to make her children feel like the most important people in the world.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You said that your dad's task was to get under your mother and lift her emotionally, and her assignment as she saw it, was to get under him and lift him, and they lifted each other. Isn't that the beauty of love that we see in the 13th chapter of 1 Corinthians?<br />
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Joe White: Oh, what a sermon. And when Mama slips on her little white nightgown and locks the door, you know, after 52 years of marriage and they, I'm sure hug each other. And when I wrote the book Looking for Love in all the Wrong Places about teenage sexuality, Mama said, you know, "Spike and I, your daddy and I are the ones who ought to write that book. We know more about it than you do." But the tenderness that they've enjoyed in that relationship, because, Jim, as you say, in humility, they build each other up constantly throughout the day and night and make each other feel like they're the most important one in the family.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: When you are in the midst of a busy, active summer and you have around you the thousands of teenagers who have never seen what you're talking about, they don't know that it exists. It's never been modeled for them and not aware that two people could love each other for so many years like that. How do you get it across, Joe? What do you say to that wounded, lonely orphan who has been sent there to camp? How do you, in a short period of time, get your arms around them and get into their heart and tell them that that kind of love is possible?<br />
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Joe White: The best sermon that I can be at camp, Jim, is when I carry my little boy Cooper on my shoulders, piggy back around the camp. It's not so much what I say to the kids at camp, but it's what the kids see and what they catch. Christianity has, since the beginning, been a faith that's been caught more than taught. So, in the home, that's where we're going to catch our kids, by the way we live our lives.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And you model it for those teenagers that come through.<br />
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Joe White: And what a joy, if there's ever a thing that was fun to model, it's loving a kid. That's a celebration spot in a man's life, to have a little bitty chubby armed little guy reach his arm around your neck and say, "Daddy, I love you." That's the greatest model you could do.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Let me role play with you, Joe. We're at Kanakuk and I'm 15 years of age and I come to you and I say, "Joe, as you see I have this acne all over my face and I'm about five inches shorter than all of my friends. And there isn't a girl in my school that'd go out with me and I'm a total failure. I hate myself. I don't even want to live. I come from a single parent family. My mother, it's all she can do to work and put food on the table for us. I don't even think I have a future. I don't think God could love me. I'm a wipeout. I'm wasted." What do you say?<br />
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Joe White: The best counselor at our camp today is a darling 21 year old girl named Jill. Went to a youth retreat a few years ago and Jill was ready to commit suicide. That's exactly what she was saying. I happened to take along on that retreat my grand mom, who at that time was 89 years old and my dear east Texas grand mom took Jill on the beach every morning, walking down the beach, and said one thing to Jill. She said, "Jill, you're valuable. God loves you. I love you." Morning after morning. Pardner age 89, that's what we call her. Because she says, "I'm not old enough to be your grand mom. You call me Pardner." Walking with that girl, her cup of self-esteem began to fill, and I want to say that self-esteem is built upon really understanding who I am in Christ. But anyway, Jill's cup begin to fill. She began to find out that it was okay to smile and she became beautiful, which she is today. I'll tell you. And that girl now is the most effective at sharing that same love that Pardner gave her with other people. It's not what's on the surface, but it's what's down in the heart. And parents and grandparents are the key to filling that cup of self-esteem.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You told us you have never talked to a teenager who was on drugs or had had an abortion or had been through some of these terrible struggles, that didn't also tell you they hated themselves and what they represented.<br />
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Joe White: Through tears flowing down their cheeks, through mascara spread all over their collars. Teenagers are screaming out, "I don't like myself. God couldn't possibly love me either." I'll ask them a question like, you know, "Tell me about your relationship with your dad," or, "Tell me about your relationship with your mom." And they'll begin to pour out rejection and hurt and more of an acceptance based upon what they do and how they look and how they're dressed rather than an acceptance based upon what's going on down deep inside their heart.<br />
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I find if I'm going to become a PhD in anything on this earth, I want to become a PhD in my kids' self-esteem. Finding out, as a dear friend of mine and yours, Dr. Trevor Mabry who was killed in a plane crash coming out of Hell Canyon who was the best at finding out what his kids really needed and then helping those kids succeed in whatever that was, whether it was getting up at 5:00 AM and rolling papers for his kids and throwing the paper out with them early in the morning or whether it was helping them with football or basketball or whatever sport they were doing, but it's getting in on what my kids are doing and helping my kids succeed at whatever that is. Then as, one girl wrote me the other day, she said, "You know what? The reason I'm different? The reason I can stand in the face of peer pressure and say no is because my parents fill my cup of self-esteem so full that when my friends come along and poke holes in it, they can't poke enough holes to let it all out."<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Oh boy. That really does set up the target for us, doesn't it? I had a lot of holes poked in me when I was in junior high school and my parents helped plug them and I'm here today because they did that. Joe, you were sharing with us another story of your own children. I love to hear you talk about your kids because they're, it's dripping with love and warmth and you were telling a story about your daughter who got cut from a, from a team. Was it a baseball team?<br />
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Joe White: It was gymnastics. Haven't all of us been there as parents when they're just worn out and broken by their peers or by a coach. My little girl, Jamie, who I still call peanut, had just had her first defeat when she was cut from the gymnastics team. A sport she'd given three years to. As soon as she walked in the house my precious wife, who's very sensitive, knew that it was daddy time. So little peanut and I got in the rocking chair and I just said, "Hey, peanut, you know, I spent my life on the bench. You know, God doesn't care what team you're on. He just wants your heart." And in a few minutes, you know, kids bounce back like silly putty. She was out of there. She was fine that night. I was tucking her in bed later on. And in those very intimate times we get to pray together at night and get to memorize some scripture. And then I said good night and walked out of a room and I heard this little voice penetrate the darkness when she said, "Daddy." And I turned around and I said, "What peanut?" And she said, "Thanks for tying my heart back together tonight."<br />
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And I walked over to her bed cause I wasn't sure if I really heard that. And I put my cheek down by her little soft little seven year old cheek of innocence and I said, "Peanut, what'd you say?" And she said, "Oh, I just said thanks for tying my heart back together tonight." And I said, "Darlin', what do you mean by that?" And she said, "Well, tonight when I came in, my heart was broken. But you tied it back together again."<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And did a tear come to your eye?<br />
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Joe White: Still does.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, our time is gone. Yesterday, you quoted the entire second chapter of Philippians for us. What's your favorite scripture? It seems appropriate that we go back to scripture as a place to end, because that's kind of the theme of your life.<br />
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Joe White: I'll never forget as a 17-year-old new Christian, coming to grips with the verse Romans 8:1 where God says, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." And as a guy who has felt condemnation, as a daddy who's failed a lot, I need that verse. And as a daddy, here's the most exciting thing about that verse. As a daddy all I need to be is a mirror so that when my kids look at me, they can see what I'm getting from God. And they look in my eyes and they don't feel condemned because God's not condemning me. I don't have to condemn them either.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, I love you. I love you like a brother and I said it last time. I say it again today. I appreciate what you stand for and what you're doing on behalf of the teenagers of this country. There's so few good influences out there today. So many of the of the things that teenagers hear and feel are destructive and negative. And I thank God that there is a Joe White and a Kanakuk and a Kanacomo and all the other things that you're trying to do. Hang in there, continue to serve the Lord and come back and see us when you can.<br />
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Joe White: Thank you.<br />
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Roger Marsh: This is Roger Marsh and I am so glad that you've joined us for the past couple of days here on Family Talk. As we wrap up this broadcast, I want to expound on that verse that Dr. Joe White just shared. Let me read for you once again. Romans chapter 8 verses 1-3, a passage that says, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus because through Christ Jesus, the law of the spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh God did by sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering." I pray these verses ministered to you and reminded you of Christ's ultimate sacrifice for you. The Bible instructs us to pass on this truth to our kids and the many generations to come after that.<br />
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Roger Marsh: What does it mean to truly love your kids? How do the relationships you build with your children lead to a lasting legacy of faith? This is Family Talk, the radio ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute. I'm Roger Marsh with your host, psychologist and best-selling author, Dr. James Dobson. In a moment, we'll unpack that idea of deeply loving and caring for your children. And to help us do that, we're going to let you listen in to a classic broadcast featuring Dr. James Dobson and Dr. Joe White. Joe is the founder of Kanakuk Camps, which minister directly to kids and teenagers through outdoor experiences. Dr. Dobson will touch on that more in just a moment. Joe White is also a board member at Cross International, which provides food and supplies to impoverished people worldwide. He is a passionate speaker and the best-selling author of over 20 books. Dr. Dobson and Joe White have been good friends for many years, with the common goal of preserving the family.&nbsp;<br />
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Today, they recognize how scripture memorization impacts the spiritual walks of our children. They also encourage parents to make the Bible exciting and to fight for the hearts and minds of their kids. Here now is Dr. James Dobson to further introduce today's guest and briefly discuss the ministry of Kanakuk Camps. Thanks so much for tuning into this special edition of Family Talk.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: This man, I believe, knows as much about teenagers in the Western world as anybody in the country. He knows what makes them tick, he knows what they're afraid of, he knows their desires, and he also knows what deeply troubles them. And he ought to, because he deals with enough of them. Joe White is a director of Christian sports camps, Kanakuk and Kanakomo. A thousand staff members are needed every summer just to minister to and lead the I guess, what, 5000 kids that come through every summer?<br />
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Joe White: Yes sir, we get to have about 5,000 of America's variety packed children in the summer time. It's great.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: What is ... What's the age range?<br />
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Joe White: Our kids start at age eight, although a few sneak in at age six and seven. And then we keep kids all the way through high school as campers. And then our staff are college guys and pro guys and teachers and so forth.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And you have so many staff members you have the bases covered. You really spend a lot of your time out with the kids, don't you?<br />
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Joe White: Oh, yes sir. My funnest moments are getting in front of a 16 year old kid who's going through some intense hurt. And, you know, at a camp or retreat, boy walls come down like crazy and kids can really feel the freedom to open up and I'm the lucky guy that gets to be there when those kids open up and meet the Savior.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: They love it, Joe. They love it. They want to come back. It may be the most successful Christian camping program in the country, I don't know. How'd it start? What was the vision originally?<br />
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Joe White: Originally, it was as, Howard Hendricks says, the most effective tool that the gospel really has in the country today for reaching kids in a lasting relationship with Christ, is a camp or retreat. And that was the vision of the original guy who started it back in 1926. You know, we're barking up on 64, 65 years at the camps. I hadn't been there all those years, but my family's been involved for the last 20 or 30 years. And it was just a place to get kids away from the peer pressures, often times from negative home environments, and to give them a chance to meet the Savior and see how happy and how abundant life can be in a place where Christ is glorified 24 hours a day, seven days a week.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: It's in the Ozark Mountains in Missouri. It's a three week program, I believe. Is that correct?<br />
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Joe White: About half of our kids stay for a month and then about half our kids stay for two weeks. We have four camps, two of them are two week camps and two of them are four week camps. We like kids to stay a month, that's when we can really, really get under their skin and help them come to grips with a lifetime discipleship walk with the Lord.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You're developing a new program? Describe that for me.<br />
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Joe White: Oh, we're so excited. For the last 10 years we've been using our existing properties to work with inner city kids and mentally handicapped kids. Those are the two populations that we really feel led to work with. And now we're building more properties where we can bring in literally thousands of really, really eager and excited teenagers out of the inner city who've never, ever seen a bird fly or really heard the gospel message or been hugged by somebody that says, "Hey, you're special." And so this inner city thing is really got our eagerness and our attention right now. It's great.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, I appreciate the man that you are. I don't want to flatter you or try to pour praise on you. You have a certain humility about you that is very refreshing to me. But you came in this morning for our devotions. The executive staff meets for devotions in the morning and you came in and met with us. And we asked you to bring the devotion and you said that you needed to step out for a moment. Put on another shirt, kind of symbolic of prison garb, came back in with no shoes, his pants legs rolled up, and chains on his hands. And sat down as though he were Paul writing a letter to the Philippians and proceeded to quote from memory the entire book of Philippians.&nbsp;<br />
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I'm going to ask you to quote the second chapter of Philippians for us right here. Do it the way you did it for us, in that very meaningful moment just a few minutes ago, really.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: My little boy has just finished doing this second chapter of Philippians, and fortunately, it's on the tip of my tongue. It happens to be the chapter that speaks most directly to parents. And I hope it'll mean as much to you, if you get the opportunity to memorize it, as it has to me.<br />
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Paul's in the jail. He's chained to the praetorian guard and with his decisive manner, and yet with his tender affection for the people he loved so much, he said:<br />
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"If therefore, there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship in the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind, let each of you regard one another as more important than himself. Do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interest of others. Have this attitude in yourself, which was also in Christ Jesus.&nbsp;<br />
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Who although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself by taking the form of a bondservant and being made in the likeness of man and being found in appearance as a man. He humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.&nbsp;<br />
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Therefore, also God highly exalted him and bestowed upon him the name that's above every other name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.&nbsp;<br />
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So then, my Beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who is at work in you, both the will and to work for his good pleasure. Do all things without grumbling or disputing so that you may prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God, above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation among whom you appear as lights in the world holding fast the word of life. So that in the day of Christ I may have cause to glory because I did not run in vain and did not toil in vain.&nbsp;<br />
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But even if I'm being poured out as a drink offering upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all. And you too, I urge you, rejoice in the same way and share your joy with me. But I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you shortly, for I have no one else of kindred spirit who will be genuinely concerned for your welfare. For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus. But you know of his proven worth, how he served with me in the furtherance of a gospel like a child serving his father.&nbsp;<br />
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Therefore, I hope to send him immediately as soon as I see how things go with me. I thought it necessary to send you Epaphroditus, my brother and fellow worker and fellow soldier who is also your messenger and minister to my need. Because he was longing for you all, because you had heard that he was sick. And indeed, he was sick to the point of death, but God had mercy on him and not on him only, but also upon me lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.&nbsp;<br />
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Therefore, receive him in the Lord with all joy and hold men like him in high regard because he came close the death, risking his life to complete what was deficient in your service to me.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Boy Joe, that really moves me.<br />
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Joe White: God's word is great.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That is so beautiful. And you can quote the entire book in that same way and did it for us this morning. Are you moving from one book to the other? Is this a [crosstalk 00:09:36].<br />
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Joe White: Yes sir. And you have to understand, you know, I didn't make very good grades in school and I'm not a great scripture memory guy. I just struggle through it day by day. But Dr. Dobson, the gift of giving scripture to your kids is the greatest, greatest experience a parent can have. It really is. That's the foundation I believe that a Christian family needs to be built on.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That is what moved me so much this morning. You have four children, and they all work on scripture together with you and your wife every night.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: Yes sir. We start at age three with the 23rd Psalm and then we move to Psalms one and then Psalms 100 and then we do 1 Corinthians 13 together and then move into the Sermon on the Mount and different favorite passages. Now we're in the book of Philippians together and having a ball. It's a circus.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And all four of them are learning this book.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: Yes. And my little boy, I say little, he's not little anymore. My boy's kind of leading the way, he got all the brains in the family and so he's taking off.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Share the story that you shared with us this morning about your younger son.<br />
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Joe White: Awhile back when he was just learning how to form words and he talked so cute. Can't quite enunciate right and he loses some teeth to top that off. I love the way he talks, but anyways, I was on the road and I called home about 9:30 at night. My wife had just tucked little Cooper in bed and he twinkles in the eye and he looks up at his mom and he says, "Mom," he says, "I want to memorize another Bible verse so when daddy comes home I can tell it to him."&nbsp;<br />
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And she probably was tickled to death. And he said, "Can you get my Bible?" And she said, "Well, Cooper, it's dark." And she knew he couldn't read anyway. So she's, "Let me just tell you one you need to memorize, this is really a good one." He said, "Okay." So he's sucking his thumb and rubbing his tummy and Debbie Jo, my little wife, says, "Cooper, a good verse to memorize is children obey your parents for this is pleasing to God." And Cooper thought for a couple of minutes and he pulled him thumb out of his mouth and he looked at her and he smiled and he said, "That's not in there."<br />
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And she said, "Yeah it is." And he pulled his thumb out of his mouth again. He said, "You just made that one up."<br />
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But you know what's exciting about it, course she didn't make it up, and the kids have come to grips with the fact that hey, I'm not their daddy. Yes, I'm standing as best I can, old weak, old fleshy guy that I am in the place of their real daddy. But their real daddy's God. And as they get scripture on their mind ... It's like the other day I said, "Courtney, sweetheart, is this scripture memory a good thing? Do we need to keep doing it?" And she said, "Yeah, dad, we really do." And I said, "Why is it important?" She said, "Well, when I have to make a decision, I don't have to go look it up."<br />
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Dr. Dobson: It's hidden in the heart, isn't it?<br />
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Joe White: Yes sir.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And this is something that the children are not fighting, they are cooperating in. You've managed to make it that exciting for them.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: Well the key in the whole thing is being the closest thing to your kids, which of course involves times, it involves tons of encouragement, a lot of attitudes of the heart that parents have to develop. But if I'm excited about scripture, which I am abundantly because of God's grace to me, and if I'm close to my kids and they love to, "yay by me daddy, will you yay by me before bed?" Then whatever I'm into, they're going to be into. We could play cards, we could stand on our heads, we could do anything and they'd love it. But fortunately, what we like to do is memorize the word together and so it's neat.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Whatever parents are excited over they can communicate to their children as well. And if scripture is high on that list, it's not that difficult to get them into it.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: I've got a little note on my Bible that just says, "Get your pom poms here." And it's kind of a silly thought, but I married a cheerleader and she could wave those pom poms at the, you know, SMU Mustangs or whatever I was out there trying to do better than anybody. And I learned from her that if I've got my pom poms waving and if I'm my kid's biggest fan, then my kids are going to be excited about life and doing the right thing. And I get my pom poms, Jim, from the Bible. I mean when I get in there and I read that God loves me even though I've goofed up and blown it, miserable wretch that I am, then man I can put those pom poms on, take them out to my kids, and say, "Hey, you better believe it. He loves you too."<br />
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Dr. Dobson: They know you're on their team, don't they?<br />
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Joe White: Yes sir. And the Bible is so encouraging about who I am in Christ.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Now lest we sound like goody two shoes here who aren't in the real world, I hope you won't mind, Joe, my taking you back just a little bit into the sorrow of your past. You've been married before, you've been married twice. Your first wife left you. Describe that ... Do you mind my asking you [crosstalk 00:14:10]?<br />
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Joe White: Not at all. I guess if there's one thing that all of share, it's the bruises. I'm black and blue and as so many Christian's who've gotten beat up in various ways would point out, it was the highlight of my life. I cried for months. But years ago I was in college doing the football thing and you know that whole kind of a glamorous life, which was really frankly pretty unreal. Married to a lovely girl, and I don't fault her at all. But anyway, she fell in love with my best friend and they went ahead and got married later on. There was no adultery or anything like that, just her heart changed towards me. Wiped me out, as I said, I cried for months and months. But in the process of that, my roots were not deep in Christ's soil at the time and my roots, whatever were there, got cut to the quick. And then in the process of the pain, I re-rooted my life deeply in Christ. And now when Amazing Grace is sung in the church, I can't get the lump out of my throat because I realize that that was me that he was dying for.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And the Lord has given you a wonderful family.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: Boy, is Romans 8:28 the most incredible jigsaw puzzle verse in the world? How God takes those pieces that are scattered to the corners of the compass and brings them back together again to make a family where a wife that I adore, I deeply cherish, and four kids. You know, the privilege of being called daddy is the greatest privilege of my lifetime. It amazes me that He could take a divorce situation and do that with it.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, we are talking to an awful lot of wounded people out there, today. Some have never been married and wonder why, feel unloved and unlovable. Some are divorced, some are where you were. Some haven't yet found somebody to love, having been rejected by the person that they dedicated their lives to. Do you have any words of wisdom, comfort?<br />
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Joe White: My mom was raised only by her mom. She really never did know her daddy very well. My wife's daddy was killed when she was a little girl. Our whole family, you know, kind of has the bumps and bruises all over it. But I guess if somebody feels the same way I do, you might entitle your Bible "I've been there." And if there's one subject that Christ speaks to, is, "I have been there." I love John 14, where Jesus talks to you and he talks to his disciples and he talks to me. And he says, "Hey guys, hey gals," he says, "I'm not going to leave you as orphans. I'm going to come to you. I personally am going to come to you." And when we really enlist Christ into our heart, into our family, if I'm a single mom and I'm out there battling it all alone, I'm not an orphan. If I enlist the power of the Holy Spirit in my heart and get that word in my mind and get that word in the minds of my kids, then I'm not a single mom. It's a team relationship with the God Almighty who created the whole wonderful universe [crosstalk 00:17:20].<br />
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Dr. Dobson: No one is ever really alone.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: Never.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: If they have the relationship with Christ. Joe, you're written a book about those who feel alone. Under what circumstances do children who have their parents not feel as though they are really ... That they really belong there?<br />
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Joe White: We've gotten so busy. Our world is so fragmented. Our lives are, you know ... Wives, bless your hearts, are working so hard to help make ends meet and to try to serve on the committees and make the church thing happy and that's important. And trying please your husbands, and that's important. And trying to, you know, get to the soccer games and the cheerleading practices. And the dads are out there working so hard to keep those house payments up. And kind of the result of all that flack that's happening is that kids are looking me in the eye, and other guys who love kids, and they're saying, "Hey, Joe, where's my daddy? Where's my mommy?"<br />
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Different ones of us have asked kids lately how much time do you spend with your daddy each day and then they're saying somewhere about a minute, you know, 60 seconds a day do I really sit down one on one with my pop and share with him what's going on in my life. They write me the most tragic letters, Jim, just about, you know, I wish somebody would hug me. Joe, I wish somebody would just say, "I'm proud of you." A little girl wrote me the other day, a 16 years old girl, and she said, "I'd give up every honor I've ever had," and she has a list of honors, "just to have my mommy say, 'I'm proud of you.'"<br />
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Dr. Dobson: In the 5000 students that come to your camps every summer, Joe, are you seeing a change in this regard? Is it different than it was five, 10 years ago?<br />
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Joe White: Drastically. Our directors at our camp, and we're all kid people you know, we just kind of get in there and mix it up and sweat with kids and love kids and hug kids, but we're amazed every year at how different, I'm talking like a generation a year type future shock progression that kids are changing. Their values are changing, the whole system of an information that they're being fed, you know, through their music and through the TV set and through the movies is changing.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, you can really see this, I mean it is apparent to you. You've got a standard to compare it with and that dovetails with my own concern. I've tried to express it in different terms, but that we're involved in a civil war of values. There is a humanistic world view that says man is the center of the universe, there is no God, there are no scriptures to turn to. And then the Christian perspective that says we are here to please God, our ultimate purpose in living is to come to know him and to glorify him. Those two points of view are colliding today and the prize to the winner will be the next generation, our children. Are we really losing the battle?<br />
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Joe White: You know, there is a generation gap between brothers and brothers now. You know, if a brother is like two years older than his little brother, the little brother and the big brother feel a generation gap between the brothers. Isn't that wild?<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Yeah.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: Do y'all remember the first day that you put your first little guy or little gal on the school bus and the feeling that happened in your heart as you watched that big yellow monster drive your little first grader or kindergarten kid away?<br />
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Dr. Dobson: I'm still hurt over that, I tell ya. I backed up and took her picture and I've got it ... It's burned into my memory, seeing that little girl stand on the first step of that bus. And I turn to go back to the house and the bus drove off and I mean I had a lump in my throat that's still there.&nbsp;<br />
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Joe White: I took a second to take a picture that day, and I still cherish that picture as that little ... As the door closed behind that little guy, but I knew because I know teenagers, that on that day my boy was at bat and the count was zero balls and two strikes. I knew on the bus he was going to hear a lot of dirty words, a lot of dirty jokes. I knew on the bus he was going to begin to get rejection. I knew on the bus that as a Christian, like my little eighth grade daughter, precious girl standing for the Lord as best she can, they call her a goody-goody cartoon freak because she only goes to G rated movies. I knew that he count was 0 and two. I knew that anytime they went to a kid's house and turned on the TV set they were going to see hundreds and hundreds of sexual innuendos on the television set, never with a husband or with a wife. And I was filled with a mixture of motivation, I guess, as a daddy, to get involved.&nbsp;<br />
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Let me share another story. I was thinking through this thing. Four kids calling me daddy. I was holding, I had my arm around my second little daughter and that tender love between a daddy and his daughter, looking up at the stars and seeing this incredible universe. Over my head flew a giant 727 jet with runway lights on headed for the runway in a town nearby. Meanwhile, about 10 feet away, a lightening bug began to flash his little miraculous little light.&nbsp;<br />
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And a thought hit me that has encouraged me as a daddy like nothing else. I may not have the megawatt power of the rock groups and the TV set and all the allurement of Hollywood. I may not have my kid in my home 24 hours a day. I don't, he's at school, he's away with his friends. But if I can be like that lightning bug, you know, if ... My light may be really small and I'm sure it is. But if I can be the closest light to their face, when they come home if I can be there with milk and cookies. When they are crying if I can be there with a shoulder to cry on. When they go to bed, if I can be the last voice they hear as they go off to sleep. If they can wake up to me going through their room singing in the morning. If on Saturday night, if they don't have a date, if I can be there to date them myself, then my little light is going to be the closest light that they see, that's the light-<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And the brightest.<br />
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Joe White: And the brightest, it was. It was brighter than the jet, the little lightning bug was because it was closer.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Joe, you have ministered to me today. I don't know if you're aware of it, but you have ministered to me in so many ways. Your love of scripture and your love of your children. Thank you for being with us, and more than that, thank you for your commitment to the Lord and to his children.<br />
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Joe White: It's the greatest pleasure of a lifetime. Thank you.&nbsp;<br />
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Roger Marsh: Well what an uplifting broadcast of Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh, and I hope you were encouraged by what Dr. Dobson and what Dr. Joe White discussed on today's broadcast. Visit DrJamesDobson.org for more information about Joe's popular Kanakuk Camps in Branson, Missouri. On our website, you will also find a link for Joe White's helpful book called Faith Training. Many of the spiritual lessons and practical advice from today's interview can be found in that book. So I hope you'll go to our broadcast page at DrJamesDobson.org and find all of that information located there.&nbsp;<br />
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