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Announcer: Today on Family Talk.&nbsp;<br />
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Roger Marsh: Hello, everyone. I'm Roger Marsh and you are listening to Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk. On today's program we are excited to bring you the second installment of an interview Dr. Dobson conducted with his good friend Dr. Richard Furman discussing the topic of fighting Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia.<br />
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Dr. Richard Furman is a cardiac and thoracic surgeon with 30 years of medical experience. He's the author of five books, including Prescription For Life and Your Cholesterol Matters. Dr. Furman also helped found the World Medical Mission, which is the medical response arm of Samaritan's Purse, Franklin Graham's humanitarian organization.&nbsp;<br />
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On today's broadcast Dr. Furman will continue to talk about his new book Defeating Dementia as he shares with Dr. Dobson the early signs and stages of Alzheimer's and why it is so important for us to take care of the bodies that God has blessed us with. Okay, let's dive in right now to part two of this conversation on today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Dr. Furman, I find your new, your latest book, Defeating Dementia: What You Can Do To Prevent Alzheimer's and Other Forms of Dementia, to be one of the most interesting books that's come along in a long time. If our listeners are interested at all in general health and especially avoiding the tragedy of dementia of any form why would we not want to know how to do that?<br />
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The point you were making yesterday is that this is a disease that you can effect dramatically and even gave percentages from recent research that proves that. Repeat that for those that didn't hear the program yesterday.<br />
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Dr. Furman: Well, there's a lot that we can be doing to defeat, slow, stop Alzheimer's. The numbers that I like to think about is that if you're in the 55 to 60 year old range, a third of the time, a third of the people in that age group have that Alzheimer protein in their brain without any symptoms. If you're 65 years old, 10% to 20% of Americans are going to have the symptoms of Alzheimer's.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Name it, that's beta ...<br />
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Dr. Furman: Beta amyloid.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Amyloid.<br />
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Dr. Furman: Beta amyloid is in your brain. That's the first stage is that first 20 years without symptoms. In that first age you don't know you have it, you don't know you're getting it. You used to have to do an autopsy to find out if you had Alzheimer's.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: People are not willing to participate in that study, right?<br />
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Dr. Furman: That's right. Then it got where ... Like when Mrs. Dell was diagnosed as probable Alzheimer's. There were just tests. You'd do mental testing. When the beta amyloid ... There were two proteins that diagnosed Alzheimer's. You may ought to learn those two. One is beta amyloid and the one is tall protein.&nbsp;<br />
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The beta amyloid kills the cell. The tall protein is like a starfish that carries the message from the cell to the next cell. It gets entwined. It gets tangled up. That's what happens in that first 20 years in stage one. That is happening and we don't even know that it's happening.<br />
<br />
Then you go to stage two and that's where like with Mrs. Dell ...<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That is an assumed name?<br />
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Dr. Furman: That's a pseudonym.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: That is an assumed name. It was actually your mother-in-law.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: It's my mother-in-law. That's what the book takes her progressing through Alzheimer's. Then it intertwines it with what's going on mentally. It talks about what we're talking about right now. Here Mrs. Dell goes into stage two. She can carry on life fairly independently. She could travel, she could go to the store. She sang in the church choir. She had quit singing solos.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
She was starting to forget things. I'd go down to visit them and her husband would say, "You know, I'm concerned. I heard her call somebody on the phone the other day and she had to ask who it was because she'd forgotten who she called until they answered." Then he said later she called and told someone, "I'll call you back in a little bit. I forgot why I called you." Things like that.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
That's stage two where all of that is going on. I got there one weekend. He said, "You've got to take her driver's license away from her." She went out to a friend's house. Drove all the way to Milledgeville, Georgia and back. Two hours. She wasn't sure how to get back home.<br />
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I talked to her. She was adamant, "I can drive. I'm not going to quit driving. I'm going to continue like I'm doing." I called her doctor. I said, "When she comes in for a check-up next week write a prescription: 'no driving.'" We put it on the refrigerator.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
At that moment she went from stage two to stage three because she quit driving, she became dependent on someone. If we'd done PET scans, if we'd done brain studies you'd have seen more this beta amyloid protein building up in her brain. The hippocampus of the brain is the area that dwells with memory. That is the difference between stage two and stage three.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: It's a big jump.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: It's a huge jump. You become dependent. You go from there to where, okay, now you're not taking care of yourself. Finally you get a walker and then a wheelchair. Then you become bedridden. Nobody understands bedridden until they see someone that they love being put in bed and you realize, "Hey, life is over."&nbsp;<br />
<br />
You're not taking them out to restaurants anymore. You have to put them in the living room because otherwise they're just going to be in the bedroom all the time. They're living in that bed for the rest of their lives. That's stage three and it's just a terrible stage. That's when you realize, "What can I do to help my odds of never getting Alzheimer's?"<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Not a lot you can do to help the person who is in stage three.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: You can slow it down. They've got studies showing, doing the PET scans and the MRIs of the brain, if they do the exercise, if they eat properly, if they lose weight. Usually by the time they're at that age they've already lost the weight and all of that.<br />
<br />
The studies show, they go back to midlife, and see, were they overweight midlife? Were they obese in midlife? Did they exercise at midlife? What did they eat at midlife? That shows all through there that stage two is the big stage when you first start having symptoms. There are a lot of studies down on that. Measuring the PET scans to see how much of this beta amyloid is clogging the brain, the hippocampus of the brain, that these are preventable steps that can be made to make that beta amyloid not form.<br />
<br />
The Alzheimer's Association says half of Alzheimer's is preventable. There was an article in [inaudible 00:08:42] medical journal that said 87% of every one of Alzheimer's has at least one preventable factor that they can work with, whether it's the exercise, weight loss, or how they eat.&nbsp;<br />
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There are many things we can be doing that will, even in stage two, will slow that down by these studies, these brain studies showing, okay, all of a sudden you realize that, "I need to exercise" or, "I can't eat that way anymore", "I'm going to lose weight". It shows that beta amyloid decrease in the deposit in that hippocampus.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You know, there's a spiritual dimension to this too because we are the temple of the Lord. He lives within us. 1 Corinthians 6: 19 and 20 says, "Do you not know your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit? Who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your bodies." That's rather dramatic, isn't it? Right to the point.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: That's great. That's what it's all about. That's the way we say thank you for what he's given us. Example, when I went to Nepal, earthquake, after they had the earthquake over there. The church there looked brand new. The reason is they had made it earthquake-proof and the pastor told them, "This is not your building. This is God's building. You're the caretaker."<br />
<br />
The same way with this. God's given us a great body. We're the caretakers of it. We need to do everything we can to thank him for what he's given us.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: What do people say to you when you talk like this? Do you have any idea what percentage of them say, "I get it. I will do it"?<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: There's two types of people. One, they would desire it ... Like I said earlier, they would desire it but they won't make the commitment, because the desire doesn't require action. But if they commit to it, I encourage them to make that a goal in their life. If they need to sit down and write down every meal you're going to eat, breakfast, lunch, dinner, write it down. Just the basics of it and set that as your goal. It gets where something that used to be a favorite will get where, once you read and study what it's doing ...<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: I never quite got to that stage.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Well, I blame it on IQ but we won't go there. There are some people that will read something like this and realize, "Hey, I'm at that fork in the road. I better change my life right now." That's what I'm wanting this book: to become something, other than your heart attack, to make you change. There are things that you can do, paper after paper, showing about things you can do to decrease your chances of that beta amyloid piling up in your brain.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Well, let's kind of review a little bit one of your previous programs. A couple of them I think that we did in regard to how that diet really needs to change.&nbsp;<br />
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You put the primary emphasis on saturated fat. There are other things obviously that you can do and nutrition is a complicated subject. You listed 10 things you must not eat. One of your books started with number one, two, and three.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Yes.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Do you want to summarize that for folks? See, now what we're really doing is that we've done two programs where we've talked about nutrition as being one of the ways that you can help to reduce the danger of Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia. Let's focus primarily then on food and tell me what that really means.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: All right. That's very good because, like Mrs. Dell, she wouldn't have known what saturated fat even meant to her in her days. Let me give you a number to remember on the significance of what we're getting ready to discuss about where does that saturated fat lead you?&nbsp;<br />
<br />
There's a study that showed that the group ... You want to be in the right group. The group that ate the least amount of saturated fat, which is your red meat, this is what we're getting ready to go over, versus the 10% that ate the least amount ... The ones that ate the most had ... This is what I like. They didn't say double your chances or whatever they said. 2.2 times more likely to get Alzheimer's.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Now just remember it's not twice as likely. It's 2.2 times. That's how exact they were on measuring this saturated fat that we're getting ready to mention in the bad picture. I'm going to give you a little good picture in a minute where this is leading us.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
I want to talk about the good fat. The fish. You should eat, most reports say, three to five fish a week if you can, which would help in defeating Alzheimer's. The study that stands out in my mind was a study that compared someone who ate one helping of fish a week versus a group that did not eat fish. The ones that ate the one fish a week had a 60% less likelihood of developing Alzheimer's.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: That's phenomenal.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: There's two pictures that I hope you walk away with. That saturated fat picture, the 2.2 picture, picture a steak. On top of that steak is an egg with an egg yolk humped up. On top of that they put a piece of cheese and it breaks the yolk and the yolk runs down over the steak. You've got that picture.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
On the right hand corner is a glass of milk, which stands for cream. That's ice cream, cream-based soup, any kind of cream. That's 4% butter fat in that milk. That's equivalent to five strips of bacon if you're looking at the fat.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Dr. Furman, after I had my heart attack all those years ago, 28 years ago, I thought that I had to eliminate all fat. That's what I was told at the hospital because they didn't know then.<br />
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Dr. Furman: Right.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: They said, "Get all fat out of your diet." I tried to do it. I was eating about anywhere from two grams to five or six grams per day. That's hard to do. I would go to the grocery store and I would spend two hours reading labels. I would walk up and down trying to cut all that fat out.<br />
<br />
My cardiologist sent me to a lipid expert, a physician, Dr. Robert Eckel was his name. I went to see him. He's in Denver. I described to him what my diet was. He said, "Well, I'm going to make some changes. I'm going to put a lot of fat back into your life. I'm going to put 80 grams of fat into your diet but it is not going to be saturated fat. I want you to eliminate every bit of that."<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Right. That's great.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: "Then we'll put polyunsaturated, monounsaturated fat in."&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Great advice. Great advice.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: That freed me to eat a lot of things that I had not been eating.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Yeah. Most people will put all fats together but there are bad fats and there are good fats. The other bad is the butter and anything fried. Most things are fried in animal fat so just get grilled, not fried.<br />
<br />
Anyway, that's the bad picture but what you were just saying, what your doctor put you on, was the good fats. You don't eliminate the bad fats and then substitute sugar. You eliminate the bad fats and then substitute the good fats. You eliminate the steak and start eating the fish.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Just a quick little picture of the good fats. Think of a fish, salmon is the best, but think of fish. You look in the fisheye, its right eye, it's not an eyeball in there. It's a nut. The nut. Nuts have the good fats in it. You look in the other eye. That's not an eyeball either. You look at that and it's an olive. You use olive oil for your cooking. You open the mouth and there's avocados sitting there.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Okay, but anyway, won't get into that detail. That's the good fats versus the bad fats. You want to eliminate. For Alzheimer's, don't eat any of the bad picture. Just go with the good picture.<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Research shows that that makes a difference.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: It sure does. Just those two examples that we did about saturated fat, 2.2, and then 60% less. Just with the fish. The same way with the cholesterol. The higher the LDL cholesterol in your blood ...<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That's the bad stuff.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: That's the bad. That's the lethal cholesterol. The higher that is when you get your cholesterol numbers back, the higher that LDL, that lethal LDL cholesterol is, they've done the studies that show there's more of the beta amyloid protein in your hippocampus in your brain.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Yeah. There's controversy over this. It's frustrating to me to hear ...<br />
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Dr. Furman: I like controversies.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: A lot of physicians saying, "Well, that was yesterday. We don't believe that anymore." They're actually recommending that people eat more saturated fat. Where are they getting that?<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: A friend of mine argued that butter was the best thing he could eat. What you have to do is- I like the reality. If the saturated fat you eat, medically-speaking, anatomically-speaking increases the LDL level of the cholesterol in your blood. Saturated fat, the more LDL cholesterol.<br />
<br />
It's fact. Another fact is the more LDL cholesterol the worse your arteries are going to be. More heart attacks and more strokes. That's medically proven. What I point is look at the one medicine, the biggest sale medicine in the US, it's a cholesterol lowering drug that lowers your LDL. From a medical standpoint why in the world would that be the number one selling drug?&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: If it didn't do anything.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: If it is not doing anything. The FDA, if it's not doing it they're going to change things. I'd have to go by the FDA and the medical literature showing that, yes, the higher your LDL and the lower your HDL, the more of the beta amyloids in your brain. They've got a study on that. Any discussion, any argument, whatever, let's go to that study that they show that the higher your LDL cholesterol is in your blood, the more beta amyloids you have in your brain but your test on your test scores are lower.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Did you know my cardiologist and I had a conversation about this the other day? He said we really do not lose very many people to heart attacks today. It used to be just very common. I told you about my family and what they ate is disgusting to me. My grandmother used to fry bacon first and then put the bacon grease in the gravy and in the biscuits. Bacon grease, mind you.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Yeah.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: All of them died. They died early from coronary artery disease. There must be something to it. We made changes and those medications now have also had an effect. Fewer people are dying of heart attacks. Can you validate that?<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Okay. What I'll validate is there are still over half of Americans will die from a heart attack or a stroke from disease of their arteries.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Eventually.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: The one point you said just a minute ago, they died earlier back then when they were eating like that. Now we're living a little longer but that's still the highest death rate even over cancer or whatever.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: There's a lot of work to be done yet.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: It's still the same work that we've got to work on but if we're talking about Alzheimer's remember that those cholesterol numbers directly affect the amount of beta amyloids that's in the brain.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Well, we're almost out of time. I want to summarize what we talked about. The name of the book is Defeating Dementia: What You Can Do To Prevent Alzheimer's and Other Forms of Dementia by Dr. Richard Furman, who is a cardiologist and physician and surgeon.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
This book is a must read because most people know, I don't know that they live by it but they know that saturated fat is dangerous for the heart and so on. They know that heart attacks are still related to nutrition.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
They don't know for the most part that nutrition is related to Alzheimer's. This is new territory. The exciting thing is that you can dramatically lower the incidence, or the danger, from Alzheimer's by avoiding the things that help to cause it.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Exactly. These are just studies that show what you can do to get in the right group of people that has less Alzheimer's than the group that has more. We want to get in the right group for reading and by doing.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: Before we go we really ought to talk about how people can get this book. I want to make sure it's available. Of course, you can get it from Amazon and many other places. You can also get it from your website, which is?<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: RichardFurman.com<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: This is not something you studied in medical school?<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Oh no.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: This is something that's come along recently.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Yeah. All of this is going to be known I think by everybody several years down the road. I think this is just the wake-up.<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: For a lot of people it'll be too late.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Sort of the wake-up call. In closing, I just want to remind you that it's never too late to start on the road to better health in defeating dementia.&nbsp;<br />
<br />
Dr. Dobson: You've done a great service to many, many people by what you've written here. I hope this book winds up number one on the best-seller list. It ought to be there because it can change lives. I appreciate you, Dr. Furman. I appreciate your friendship. You've been here to Family Talk three or four times. Maybe four or five now. As long as you're writing there's a place for you at that chair.<br />
<br />
Dr. Furman: Well, thanks for having me. Thank you.<br />
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Roger Marsh: I'm Roger Marsh. You have been listening to Dr. James Dobson and Dr. Richard Furman talk about the ways to prevent and fight Alzheimer's on this edition of Family Talk.&nbsp;<br />
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Thank you for listening to this Family Talk broadcast. I'm excited you've joined us today, as we bring you one of our best broadcasts from 2018. Throughout the month of December, we'll be highlighting our most listened to shows, along with some of Dr. Dobson's hand-picked favorites. So, sit back, relax, and enjoy this popular program from this past year.<br />
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Roger Marsh: From time to time here on Family Talk, we find it necessary to tackle more serious topics facing the institution of the family. Now, on today's program, we're going to be talking about the crippling disease of Alzheimer's and how the children and spouses of those with dementia can find hope. You're listening to Family Talk with your host, successful author and world-renowned psychologist Dr. James Dobson. I'm Roger Marsh. And with Dr. Dobson in the studio to discuss this tough subject is his longtime friend, Dr. Richard Furman. For the past 30 years, Dr. Furman has worked in the medical field, and has dedicated his time and efforts to creating awareness of the various preventable issues that kill millions of Americans every year. Today, he'll be talking with Dr. Dobson about his new book, Defeating Dementia, and he'll lay out practical steps that people can take to lower their risk for developing Alzheimer's. Here now is the first part of their conversation on this edition of Dr. James Dobson's Family talk.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Today, we're going to talk about a very difficult subject that many families are dealing with today, and that is the debilitating diagnosis of Alzheimer's. We were talking in here in the studio just a few minutes ago, and agreed that from our perspective, this may be the cruelest disease of all. Did you know that according to the Alzheimer's Association, 5.7 million Americans are living with it, and projections are, listen to this now, the projections are that that number will rise to 14 million by the year 2050? And an even more sobering statistic is that half of all Americans who are now 85 or older are afflicted by this horrible disease. Half, half of the Americans. Half of us who have reached that age. I haven't, but I know a lot of people who have and who are suffering with it.&nbsp;<br />
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I said this is one of the most cruel of all illnesses. Let me tell you why. It robs patients of their memories of childhood and courtship and parents and awareness of grandchildren and friends. It strips them of fellowship with God and a reflection on life. Every good thing is taken away, especially the marital relationship. Dating and the fun things and the humor and the vacations, everything you've experienced is gone. Only one party remembers them. It is devastating for victims and families alike. Those closest to those afflicted often suffer their own private hell. I don't use that word often. This comes close to it. And there is no cure for it. But there may be an avenue to prevention. And that's what we're going to talk about today.&nbsp;<br />
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This is what makes this program so important. I said also before we went on the air that this may be one of the most important topics that we have dealt with in many years. It's relevant, even to the young. It's relevant to everybody. But even including the millennials who are sometimes accused of being self-absorbed, many of their grandparents are going through it, and some of their parents will walk this path. I don't know how to tell you guys this, but you will be there soon yourself. Take it from me. Life passes awfully quickly, so it's relevant to you too. In fact, you may be in the best position to prevent it and we'll talk more about that.&nbsp;<br />
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The book that we're going to be discussing today is a must read by all of us. It's titled Defeating Dementia. It's written by my guest and wonderful friend, Dr. Richard Furman, a cardiologist and surgeon. Been in practice for 30 years. He has been the surgeon and the physician for Franklin Graham and Billy Graham before he died, and of course, the Samaritan's Purse folks. I wish I could take the time to tell you all the things that he's done. Dick, welcome back to Family Talk, it's so good to have you here.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Well it's great to be here again, Dr. Dobson. Good to be here.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: We've discussed several of your books in previous programs, and I've appreciated them all. But this one is unique. Do you feel that way about it? This one's kind of set aside.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: It's the most exciting one I've ever written, and I think the most informative, and the one that everybody ought to know about, "Defeating Dementia."&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Did I overstate the case of what Alzheimer's is like?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: No. It's known to be the most dreaded disease in America. People dread that more than cancer. I mean, just studies show that, that if you ask that question. It's terrible, and to watch your mother-in-law, Mrs. Dell as I put in the book, to watch her go through 15 years of the progressive stages of Alzheimer's, it's terrible. It's hard to believe.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: I mentioned also before we went on the air that I have a very good friend, also a physician, whose wife has been dying of Alzheimer's, or experiencing it, and now she is dying. 11 years they've gone through this. I've followed it closely. It's a tender spot that you just ... I don't know how people deal with it. I really don't. You wrote about your mother-in-law in your book. I've got a paragraph from that book. Would you read it for us?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Says, "What drove you to write this book? Well, I watched my mother-in-law progress through the three stages of Alzheimer's. I watched her go from being an active, middle-aged lady, to beginning to forget little things like her car keys and not remembering where she was driving to, and calling someone on the phone and not remembering who she was calling when they answered. I saw her lose every day independence. The day I got her doctor to write a prescription, which we placed on the refrigerator stating, 'No driving.' Then came the walker, the wheelchair, and finally, being bed-ridden and completely dependent on caregivers."&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: So, you watched this not only as a physician and as one taking care of patients medically, but inside your family.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Right, and that's what really got me is to watch her go through these different stages of Alzheimer's, and I'm a physician. I always thought it was the genes. But I've just wondered what's going on in her brain?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Until recently, medical science thought it was primarily genetic, right?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Right. The genes was a big ... We thought was a big part of it. But to tell you the truth, when I started reading and studying the medical literature to see what part really does genes have to play with it? And it was remarkable for me as a doctor to realize it's not nearly as significant as I thought, only 5% of Alzheimer's is due to the Alzheimer's gene that guarantees you're going to have Alzheimer's if you have that gene. But there's another gene, APOE4, which 10 to 20% of Americans have, which makes you more prone to have Alzheimer's, but it doesn't mean you're going to have Alzheimer's, nor does it mean you're not going to have Alzheimer's unless you do something about it. It's things that you have control over, three lifestyles that you can- <br />
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Dr. Dobson: Well, that's kind of encouraging isn't it?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: It's very encouraging. I was shocked.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: So, each of us is on the hook for our own health really at that stage.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: That's right. And that's exactly what I want the reader of this book to realize is that the road you're on determines your destination.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Before you tell us that, give us the evidence for it. The Journal of American Medical Association's one of the most prestigious journals in medicine, around the world really. I published an article in it, is one of my crowning achievements when I was at Children's Hospital. They did a study of 18 hundred patients over a period of&hellip;11?<br />
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Dr. Furman: 14 years.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: 14 years. And what did they ... I mean, this is hard research.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: It followed these people for 14 years. And they found that the ones who ate properly versus the ones who ate the bad food, and I wasn't real sure exactly what the bad food was or the good food was. The ones who ate the bad diet were 40% more likely to develop Alzheimer's. Well, that was shocking.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That's pretty dramatic.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: What was even more dramatic was they had this group of people, and there was a group of them that exercised. And there was a group that didn't exercise. They saw the ones that didn't exercise versus the ones that exercised, the ones that exercised had a 48% less likelihood of developing Alzheimer's. Then, there was another group that did both, they ate properly and exercised properly. And they had a 67% less likelihood.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: I hope everybody got that, because you threw statistics to people who some of them are driving cars on their way to work that thinking about many things. Go back and think about that. If I walked up to you and you are aware of Alzheimer's or other dementia causes, and I said to you, "You know, without a great deal of effort, you can lower your risk 67% just by doing these three things." Man alive, I think I could sell that.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: That only covered the food and the exercise. And I got to thinking about, "Well, what about the third lifestyle? The weight?" This was what was shocking. If you are overweight, you've doubled your odds of getting Alzheimer's. If you're obese, you've tripled your chances of getting Alzheimer's. So, I'm thinking, "Hey, this is something that everybody ought to know, those three different lifestyles can change your future."&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Give them to us again.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: All right, the food that you eat was the 40%, the exercise was the 48%, the combination was the 67%. But the weight, and this is important, the weight, if you're overweight, you're twice as likely, it doubles your odds of developing Alzheimer's. If you're obese, it triples your odds. And there's a lot to being with overweight that goes with the health of your arteries. And the more you read about these, these three lifestyles, they all zero in on the health of your arteries. And we can get into that a little later.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: In fact, that's what your book is really about. It's about the health of the arteries.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Well, you can't do a study ... The literature about Alzheimer's, it doesn't come back to the health of your arteries. I'd say at least a third of the articles written in the literature will talk about that the health of your heart is similar to the health of your brain. So that's the bottom line of it all. There's things we can be doing that protects the blood flow. You got to have the nutrients going into the brain, the oxygen and the nutrients. But it also has to clear out the bad part, the debris of the brain. It's got to carry that off. That blood flow is the one most significant part of defeating Alzheimer's.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: We're going to talk about each of those three, because it's really important to understand what's going on. The title of this book is really magnificent, Defeating Dementia. Can you really make that statement? Can you really say to America and the world, "You probably don't have to go this route."?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Exactly, and that's what I was going to say a minute ago about going down this road. Everybody listening to us today, everybody that reads the book, they're being presented a fork in the road. They're going to decide they're going to continue on like they are or they're going to change, they're going to commit to a change. And that change, the book goes through all the different steps of what we can be doing percentage wise to defeat dementia.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You know, 28 years ago, I was 54 years of age. And I was playing basketball, and I played three times a week, and I absolutely loved it. It was the most fun part of my week. And I went up for a lay in and shot the ball clear over the basket and I knew something was drastically wrong. And I had chest pain. And I had a heart attack. 28 years ago. That probably saved ... Well it did. It threatened my life. I could have died right there. But it saved my life because I made some changes very quickly. And I kept them. One of them was exercise. This is my 24th year of exercising, and almost every day. The second is I changed my way of eating. And I mean it was radical.&nbsp;<br />
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I mean, you spend 10 days in a cardiac care unit, not knowing if you're going to live, it gets your attention. And I lay there and I said, "Lord, if you give me another chance, I won't mess it up." And a lot of people change their diets for a little bit, for a short time. It's so hard. The whole culture takes you in the other direction. Your family, all of the events. I just had a birthday, and there was stuff presented to me there that I haven't eaten in a while. But then the third one was the hardest for me, and that's weight. It just ... You would think exercising that amount would keep the weight off. But you still have got to exercise a lot of discipline, don't you?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: It's all intertwined, all the three. Didn't your father have a heart attack?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Right. Listen, my dad had four brothers. All five of them died of coronary artery disease. And my grandma had a stroke and my grandfather had a heart attack. Seven of them, and on the paternal side, died of heart attacks or strokes. And here I am, healthy seemingly.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: The first time you ever told me that, Dr. Dobson, it just ran through my mind and I think I told you then you're exercise, and we'll get into cholesterol later, but your exercise increased your 'hero' HDL cholesterol, which cleans out those arteries. Exercising that every day for those five years, that has saved your life. That's why you're sitting here today, or you wouldn't be here. But you made that commitment to exercise. And there's so much to exercise that's so significant, not only with your heart, but with Alzheimer's. And if you think about it-<br />
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Dr. Dobson: I had no idea that I was affecting my brain.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Anytime you affect your heart you're affecting your brain with more blood flow to your brain. But exercise, you think about it, it increases that HDL, just flashing light there that exercise increases your good HDL, which cleans out your arteries. There's nothing, there's no medicine, there's not a pill you can take to increase your HDL. Exercise is the main thing. Also, exercise increases the strength of your heart, it's like lifting weights to get your biceps, that someone exercise their hearts much thicker, stronger. So, it's more efficient. So, what you did is not only did you clean out your arteries, but you increased the strength of your heart. There's no medicine that will increase the strength of your heart.&nbsp;<br />
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I get that across to people who don't exercise. There was a study where they studied people who exercised the most and the least. The ones that exercised that were in the top 10% versus the ones who were in the bottom 10%, the bottom 10% were twice as likely to develop Alzheimer's. And they'd follow them along with these PET scans.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: That's scary you know that?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Well, just let that sink in. They followed it along, and the ones that didn't exercise had this beta amyloid building up in their brain and they could see it, a picture of it. Doubled the odds. Now, I used to think, "Well, I see people walking around the track. I'm thinking, 'They're not really exercising.'" But more and more you read these articles, even walking is considered great exercise with Alzheimer's. And the study that I like showed that if you can't walk one lap or a quarter of a mile, versus someone who walks two miles a day, and this was four to five days a week in this article, they were double the chance of getting Alzheimer's, the ones that didn't walk versus the ones that walked the two miles. So even walking is a great exercise in preventing Alzheimer's.&nbsp;<br />
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I kept wondering why, that doesn't put that much strain on the heart, how's that work? Realize it enhances the other lifestyles. It convinces yourself, convinces your mind that if you exercise, "Okay, I'm going to eat differently. I'm going to lose some weight." It enhances these other lifestyles that they're all intertwined. So even if you're just walking, today I'd say the one most important takeaway from this program, get yourself a goal to exercise five to six days a week, starting today, even if it's just walking.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And it also affects other organs of the body, doesn't it?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Oh, sure.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Those same disciplines, if you will, affect diabetes and cancer and any number of things. It's general health.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Weight loss, you think of colon cancer, you think of breast cancer, that's just the exercise is related to your weight, your weight's related to especially those two cancers. So, it does. It affects a lot more of your body than we have time to discuss today.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: As a matter of fact, our time is gone. But boy, we're not through talking about this. I want to talk about those three disciplines next time. You've flown out here to be with us, you came a long ways, so we're going to just continue talking right now and then we'll let people hear tomorrow what we're saying today. But Dick, I appreciate you so much. You've become a great friend to me.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Well, it's mutual.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: We both love the same Lord, don't we?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Yeah, that's right. I'd forgotten you had that heart attack long ago, and it just dawned on me whenever you told me a few weeks ago about it that that's what saved your life.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: You said you'd never seen anything quite like that.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: No. No, that you had what? Three arteries blocked?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: Yeah. The main artery, the LAD, the widow-maker-<br />
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Dr. Furman: That's the widow-maker<br />
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Dr. Dobson: -was totally blocked. And the left and right circumflex were also 30 and 40% blocked.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Yeah, well deciding to exercise is why you're here. I mean, the other things too. But that's the one most significant factor you picked up on. And that's why I want to get the readers to realize don't wait on something like that, just read the book and let that be the inspiration to do it.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And the book is Defeating Dementia: What You Can Do to Prevent Alzheimer's. Wouldn't you like to have a book that said what you can do to prevent cancer? Well you can probably lower the risk, but it's out there, and people get a surprise with cancer. But here, you're making a definitive statement, what you can do to prevent Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia. That's a good news story, isn't it?&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: It's great news. It was surprising to me as a physician. But it's something that I realized, "Hey, there are things we can be doing."&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Dobson: And Dr. Furman, next time, of all the things that I want to cover in that period of time, and there's a lot, I'm most interested in how you can detect Alzheimer's. There is a way to know that you've got work to do, and we'll tell people how next time.&nbsp;<br />
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Dr. Furman: Yeah, okay.&nbsp;<br />
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Roger Marsh: And you have been listening to Family Talk, with your host, psychologist and best-selling author Dr. James Dobson. We've been featuring an enlightening conversation Dr. Dobson had with Dr. Richard Furman about ways to prevent, and in some instances, control Alzheimer's. When you visit our broadcast page at DrJamesDobson.org, you can learn more about Dr. Furman's organization, The World Medical Mission. You can also get information on how to order a copy of his book, Defeating Dementia. That's DrJamesDobson.org, and then hit the broadcast button.&nbsp;<br />
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Be sure to join us again tomorrow to hear part two of Dr. Dobson's discussion with Dr. Richard Furman on the topic of defeating dementia. I'm Roger Marsh wishing you a blessed day from all of us here at Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk<br />
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Roger Marsh: You've been listening to Family Talk, and one of our best of the best broadcasts from the year that was 2018. Now, before we close, I want to remind you of our matching grant that's going on right now. Here at the Dobson Family Institute, we rely on your generosity to continue fighting for families, and from now until the end of the year, every donation you make will be doubled! So, five dollars becomes ten, 25 becomes 50, 50 becomes 100, and so on. Now this match is in place until we've reached our goal, so we urge you to take advantage of it right now. Learn how you can partner with us today by visiting drjamesdobson.org, or by calling 877-732-6825. Thanks so much for listening today, and be sure to join us again next time, for another 2018 best of broadcast. I'm Roger Marsh. Have a blessed day everyone, from all of us here at Family Talk.<br />
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